Drone Deer in Universities?! | DDR Podcast 006

[00:00:00] Speaker A: How's it going, folks? I'm Mike with Drone Deer recovery podcast. This is Kevin. [00:00:04] Speaker B: You guys have told us you like the multi topic podcast. Well, that's what this one is. We talk about everything from hunting to laws to where I grew up, to. [00:00:12] Speaker A: You buying your gun, shooting things. First gun. [00:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So there's a lot also insurance, drone insurance. What you need to know. AG. We talked about AG. What's coming next season. [00:00:21] Speaker A: Magalodrone megalodrone. [00:00:23] Speaker B: Stick around. You don't want to miss it. [00:00:32] Speaker A: Well, I think there's a lot more stuff that we could talk about. Like, what about my hair last week? Like, holy crap, guys. You didn't even notice it. [00:00:40] Speaker B: I mean, I'm serious. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Is it bad right now? [00:00:42] Speaker B: Mike? Here, let me you need to austin. [00:00:44] Speaker A: Did you not see it? Okay, that's way better than it was. It was like straight up, like alfalfa. [00:00:50] Speaker B: Isn't that just the way you wear it, though? Like, I thought this is no, this. [00:00:54] Speaker A: Is how you roll. [00:00:58] Speaker B: It's funny, Mike, because you that's the. [00:00:59] Speaker A: First I open it up on YouTube and I started watching. I'm like, oh, there went it's like. [00:01:06] Speaker B: I never once thought about it, because whenever I see you, you're always with the beanie on and off, and it's. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Just like well, I think I was probably rushing that morning, like, every morning, but man, I started watching that and I'm like, this is bad. Hopefully somebody nobody even said anything that I'm aware of, but I didn't even go through the comments, but I pinned a comment right away, like, hey, guys, I apologize and I blame it on you. And did you like that? [00:01:33] Speaker B: Didn't even see it, but that's good. Are we at the stage now where we need a hairstylist to come in. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Every no, we're definitely not at that stage. And guys, it might look like we're mega huge, and we do put a lot of effort in this content, but it's like we're still growing this thing, right? Kevin's mic just fell off. [00:01:52] Speaker B: The reason it fell off is because there's this piece of two by four gangster tape. Hopefully the angles here, hopefully asta's doing a good job. It looks very professional. [00:02:04] Speaker A: Yeah, you can't see there's a little. [00:02:06] Speaker B: Bit of we're just scraping by. [00:02:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm putting this tape back, but. [00:02:12] Speaker B: It'S been a fun journey, and it's only getting more fun. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, for sure. I think some people would want to hear about all the effort that you put in on the back end of building the website and getting that stuff automated because your mic just keeps falling down because there's a lot of work. I mean, if you would guess how many hours you have spent. [00:02:47] Speaker B: So no, there's probably like, the last couple. I mean, there's work the whole time, and with the pivot that we did, what is it, two months ago now? It feels like I don't know how much, but yeah, it's a whole new work. And we're at that stage now where you don't only have to build the thing, you also have to bring a team along, provide training and onboarding. And it's like most of what we accomplish more and more is becoming through people that work with us. And so there's this whole other level of work and time in not only setting the thing up, but then providing documentation, best practice. [00:03:27] Speaker A: Some of you guys that watch and listen may have seen the website. It felt like the thing wasn't completely done because when we did that Pivot, there was so much work that needed done in such a short amount of time, and then we had a bunch of people starting to reach out to us. Hey, where's this thing that you're talking about? [00:03:45] Speaker B: Yeah, and I feel bad because it's probably been like, for some people it's been kind of a frustrating experience. And right now the frustration is we have drone order inventory that should have arrived last week. Still hasn't arrived. [00:04:00] Speaker A: Man, it just sucks because they want to get their drones, they want to get out in the field because the season is short the way it is. [00:04:10] Speaker B: And we know what that's like when it's spray season or drone season. You don't have a drone, you don't have a working light. It's like you feel like you're suffocating. [00:04:20] Speaker A: Absolutely. So the people that are waiting on drones, I gave them an update yesterday and it's like, yeah, it's frustrating because we don't have a good update. It's like from our supplier, they're telling us they're held up in customs and who knows how long that'll go. And now same with the lights. We transitioned over to that new T 60 light. We got a bunch of those things coming and they're stuck. [00:04:46] Speaker B: Those are in Columbus, right? They're like that's what it south. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what it says. But how like, I tried reaching them on the phone here a little bit ago and they're like there's nothing they can do. So it just doesn't make frustrating. There's a lot of frustration with the growing so I've had growing pains with my other company, Anywhere Tree Care, but nothing like this. This is amplified by times ten, maybe even 20. [00:05:12] Speaker B: And the bright side of the whole thing is these growing pains are because whole new industries are emerging and supply chain and all these things. It's catching up. So if you are one of the people being frustrated by this, the bright side is you're one of the very first. [00:05:30] Speaker A: True. I have a bunch of people either DMing me or texting me or calling me wanting to know if it's too late to get in because it feels like there's that many people getting in and I just don't think it's too late yet. There's so much of a market out there. I mean, just the Midwest. Like, let's take Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Minnesota, those states. Yes. They're kind of like not wanting this, but they are going to come around to it. And when they do, those are huge states and there has to be a bunch of guys out there to service that area. [00:06:10] Speaker B: And then you also have even in states where there already are, like, I remember back about a year ago, Mike, we were putting together some research and figuring out how much oh, yeah, you. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Should actually read us that. Yeah. Because we've talked about that data, but you've never read the data. When I started talking to Kevin about it, you went and did a lot of homework on trying to figure out how many pilots would we need to really cover the state of Ohio. This will only be the state of Ohio, I think. And the data that you pulled was just shocking. It's based on if deer get wounded versus recovered and how many deer get know there's there's studies done on how many deer get wounded and it varies a lot. [00:06:57] Speaker B: Yeah. So that is something that's so hard to find actual data on. And I think it's because people don't want to talk about it. [00:07:03] Speaker A: About the wounded deer. [00:07:04] Speaker B: About the wounded deer, yeah. How are you going to quiz hunters on the deer that they didn't hit or didn't get a good hit on? So get this. So how many bucks do you think are killed every year in Ohio? Do you remember? I don't know if you just had to guess. [00:07:24] Speaker A: 20,000? [00:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah. 70,000. [00:07:26] Speaker A: $70,000. Actually harvested. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Actually harvested like that many are that checked in tagged? Yes. [00:07:32] Speaker A: No way. [00:07:33] Speaker B: And this data got last year, so it would have been from the previous season. [00:07:37] Speaker A: Wow. [00:07:37] Speaker B: But I don't think those numbers are going down. I wouldn't they probably fluctuate a little bit. So 110,000 deer, $70,000. [00:07:44] Speaker A: Wow. In the state of Ohio. [00:07:46] Speaker B: In the state of Ohio. And so then you think of, like, I remember the percentages that we were thinking of is so if you have 70,000 deer, how many of those are shot with a not instant lethal shot? A quarter. [00:08:02] Speaker A: Yeah. What was that? I think it ranged anywhere from 20% to 50% get wounded. So if there's 100,000 deers so let's. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Go conservative with 25%. [00:08:14] Speaker A: And then let's say didn't you have all that data? [00:08:18] Speaker B: Yeah, it's right here. So $75,000 last season. Let's say 25% of get wounded. Get wounded and then only 25% of those are, let's say big deer worth recovering. So maybe I don't know what that number is, but enough to be recovered. You're not going to maybe pay $500 to recover just a dough. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Usually they're antlerd in the state of. [00:08:41] Speaker B: Ohio, probably conservatively, 4000 deer need to be recovered every year. [00:08:49] Speaker A: That's crazy. 4000 deer. [00:08:51] Speaker B: 4000 deer. [00:08:52] Speaker A: So now start putting that. How many pilots would we need to try to keep up with that? [00:08:57] Speaker B: If a pilot does 100 recoveries, he. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Is hopping, he is working. [00:09:04] Speaker B: And he's making money, he's making bank at 100 recoveries. I think probably 50 is a good dude for a lot of guys. [00:09:12] Speaker A: Crazy. So if everybody did 100 calls, 40 pilots in Ohio, no more than that, isn't it? Oh, yeah, that's true. [00:09:23] Speaker B: So 40 pilots just in the state of Ohio. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Yeah. But you are moving to try to do 100 because last year I did 100. But, man, by the time I got done, I was whipped. [00:09:36] Speaker B: And then the crazy thing is, okay, so how many deer are there? So Ohio isn't we have big deer here, but we don't have the most deer texas. It's just estimates provided by the state. Since they don't have tags the way that we do in Ohio, they don't. [00:09:53] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:54] Speaker B: $500,000. About a million deer killed every year in the state of Texas. [00:09:57] Speaker A: What? [00:09:58] Speaker B: So when you're out there and you're wondering, is there still space for me? The two things that I remember when we were telling guys way back at the beginning last year, here's the market analysis you need to do. You need to see, are dog guys in your area? Are they busy? If dog guys in your area are sitting around and the dog guys aren't working, then you're probably not going to get work with your drone. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:21] Speaker B: If dog guys are hopping, you can never get a dog guy. They're always whatever. Chances are you're going to come in and there's going to be work for you. And then the second thing is just see how many bucks are killed in your state, how many are killed in your county, and then use some of these whatever numbers you think are accurate with percentages, wounded, whatever. [00:10:46] Speaker A: What I want to say to people also is what we're talking about, don't expect to spend $13,200 on your drone kit and pay it off in the first season. I mean, I did that, but there was nobody else, right? There are a bunch of people coming around to doing it. But it's like even if you could get your return on investment in, say, two years, that's still good. There's not businesses out there that you can buy that equipment and have it paid off in two years. [00:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah, we added a financing button. It's super easy now to get your equipment financed through the website. And I'm seeing these quotes come in anywhere from $250 a month to, like, $500 a month for terms of six years to two years, basically. So if you're out there in two years, you're going to pay $500 a month. That means every year. I don't know if that math works. [00:11:44] Speaker A: No, I'm not sure I can't do quick math. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that's about right. $6,000 a year. It's probably a little more than that. [00:11:51] Speaker A: Yeah, if you're going to pay it off in two years. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Two years. Yeah, but think of, like, paying off $6,000 worth of equipment doing calls per. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Year, and see, we're only talking deer recovery. We're not even talking, like, drone pet recovery, doing recovery on drones. I had to give Austin's number out to a couple of people just this week that were wanting to have their pets recovered. It's a thing, the more this grows, the more people will see how you can use this tool, this equipment to recover pets, even help with search and rescue. That type of stuff might be volunteer, but when you do volunteer work, that will pay itself back. [00:12:32] Speaker B: It always does. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Totally. [00:12:35] Speaker B: And I think after the herd analysis is another thing that our capacity to even we're so busy right now with what we're doing. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I was just not put a. [00:12:47] Speaker B: Lot of time into that. [00:12:48] Speaker A: I was just talking to a customer yesterday, I want to do herd analysis, but there's so many other things within side the company right now that we're doing like selling drones and training people and doing service calls and doing drone pet recovery and creating the media. It's like we're going to get to the point where we're going to either have to sub these herd analysis out or have pilots in those states that have the equipment, that have the training and then they can go do that type of work as well. [00:13:18] Speaker B: Yeah. And that kind of makes me think of talking about expansion and growth and stuff. On Friday, we have a call with our attorney. Next steps on setting up an association. How do we set up an association where people like you, whether you're an existing pilot or you want to become one, we can pool resources, have monthly or yearly kind of fees that are all paid toward lobbying, towards getting laws changed. And the cool thing is, we have enough eyeballs Mike that we get these outdoor lobbying groups that contact us and. [00:13:52] Speaker A: Say that they want to work. [00:13:54] Speaker B: They want to work for it's, like, so all that we need to do as kind of one of the leading voices in this emerging industry is how do we help people come together, pool resources, and then let's move forward with some of these ethical laws. [00:14:12] Speaker A: My thing with this association that we're looking at establishing is it's not just for drone pilots, right. It's not just people that want to have a business in the drone space, but it's for sportsmen as well. If you're a hunter and you live in, let's say, Illinois, and the state of Illinois is telling you you can't hire a thermal drone operator, come out and recover your like, this is something that you should be interested in joining as well. Because what this is going to do is it's going to move the whole industry forward on allowing this technology to be used in those states. So the association really is not just for businesses, it's for everybody that is involved in the outdoor hunting space. [00:14:56] Speaker B: It makes me think of Canada. Canada, I've probably spoken with 15 or 20 people in Canada and people who express a lot of interest, but I don't know what it is. I don't know what the laws up there are. I'm imagining they're probably more complicated and strict than they are here in the US. But so many Canadians have called us and said, can you guys come up here? Can you come across or can I start doing this? And I've always tell them, I don't know what your laws are. Figure out your laws, and then I'll help you get set up. Never hear back from them. [00:15:31] Speaker A: Yeah, just from a conservation point, if you just start thinking about the conservation on using thermal drones, maybe it's not even carcass re recovery, but it is herd analysis. What if Illinois stupid law doesn't even allow you to do that? That makes no sense. If this whole industry is suffering because you got some dumb law that tells you you can't use a drone to look at wildlife, we had this week. [00:15:59] Speaker B: In the latest update on dumb laws. [00:16:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. So explain this one. [00:16:07] Speaker B: This is how so here's a question for you guys. Help us understand because we're totally confused by this. [00:16:13] Speaker A: Well, this came in from a guy that messaged me on Instagram or Facebook. I don't remember. He's like, okay, so most states are sticking by the word take as part of yep. [00:16:28] Speaker B: If you are assisting and taking or the act of recovering a carcass is part of taking hunting. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yes. Slash hunting. Okay. So that doesn't make sense. In the state of Pennsylvania, you can't hunt on Sundays. There's no hunting, but you're allowed to recover on Sunday. So now they're getting confused on if it's hunting or not, because you wouldn't technically be allowed to recover your game. [00:16:52] Speaker B: If take the recovery of a carcass is part of hunting, you shouldn't be allowed to do it after dark either. [00:17:01] Speaker A: Right, correct. Right. So if they're saying, well, it's still part of the hunt, well, then technically you cannot go recover 30 minutes after dusk. Correct. [00:17:11] Speaker B: You got to leave it out there. [00:17:12] Speaker A: It does not make any sense. [00:17:14] Speaker B: And I think it makes it clear that what the state is doing and how they're interpreting the laws, it doesn't jive with their other interpretation. [00:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It's super frustrating. So that was another so that being. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Said, we are not attorneys. [00:17:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. This is not legal advice. [00:17:35] Speaker B: We are not legal. Cannot offer that. But we're trying to figure out, are we misunderstanding something with that, or is. [00:17:44] Speaker A: The state really we're definitely not misunderstanding it. [00:17:49] Speaker B: They're afraid. [00:17:50] Speaker A: Yeah, there was a guy that also left a comment. He was like, it costs money to change law. It costs money to enforce law, but it doesn't cost any money just to outlaw it completely. [00:18:05] Speaker B: Good point. Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker A: I'm like, well, yeah, that is a. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Good way to also no effort. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Yeah, no effort, dude. What about lifting the deer with the big drone? [00:18:16] Speaker B: Is that not fake, then? I thought that was fake jeez Al. [00:18:19] Speaker A: Now you're going to be one of those guys. No, that thing did great for us. It was just more of a video showing the viewers that, no, this was not fake. And man, people loved it. There's so many people that message me wanting to know how much weight, how long can it fly, how far can it fly? Like all this stuff, it's like, we haven't done that. We have thought about it, we just haven't done it yet. But I do believe that drones, in lifting, like doing lifting in construction, in roofing, in all types of lifting things, drones will be a part of it. [00:18:55] Speaker B: It's coming. [00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I had a guy message me. He has a roofing company, and he wanted to know about using it to take shingles up on top of a roof. What a great idea. But it's not capable of lifting enough yet to do that. But if you could do like a half a skid of shingles up on top of, like, a roof, that would be pretty cool. [00:19:17] Speaker B: And the way that drones are advancing, you got to think that's probably years out, but not decades out. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, it might be years out. It's definitely not decades. That's like the latest version of the spray drone. I shouldn't even mention it because then you guys are going to ask us, well, when is it available? The latest version for DJI's spray drone is now available in China. That booger won't be here for probably three years. But it's like they have to well, they have to go through a testing, right? So the FAA in America is just way more strict. And when they fly it for long enough and they put it through its test, and then they can bring all this data to the FAA, and then they have to file FCC filings to show them that this product is safe around here, then they're allowed to sell it. But man, I was reading on that new drone. Am I fired up because that thing's going to the agricultural side and the big, big drone side, that is really where people are going to make life changing money and businesses for sure is in the agricultural side. [00:20:29] Speaker B: Yeah, I believe. Yeah, the agricultural side, it looks like one of the first that's going to be transformed. [00:20:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:38] Speaker B: I was wondering, Mike, do you think John Deere, are they going to start selling drones? [00:20:44] Speaker A: You think I wouldn't put it past them that they're already trying to have engineers come up with their own. I just feel like if you are a company, whatever your niche is, right? Like they are in equipment, heavy equipment, if they transition to drones, it's going to take them a lot longer to catch up to where DJI is. Because DJI, that was their thing. They're a tech in drones. They do build other things. But their focus really was on drones and stuff. But I'm not saying it won't happen. Big companies could acquire maybe that division of DJI. I don't know. [00:21:25] Speaker B: I was seeing comments on the XAG versus DJI video that we released, what, six, three months ago or something? [00:21:32] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:21:32] Speaker B: It's like I was going back and comments popped up on my feed or whatever and I was looking at so many people were saying, you guys are just sponsored by DJI. [00:21:43] Speaker A: Not at all. Not at all. I truly wanted to love that XAG because of its parallel processing. [00:21:53] Speaker B: It's built like a tank. [00:21:54] Speaker A: It is a really good drone. But the software side of things that these drones fly on is all AI. And if it doesn't work, you sit out in the field ripping your hair out because the thing is not wanting to do what it's supposed to do. [00:22:07] Speaker B: And for those of you that are drone pilots out there finding deer, if you know what it's like to show up and your equipment doesn't work while you have a customer waiting, think of having thousands of acres exactly. With farmers that need to be sprayed. And we're not talking about finding a deer. We're talking about this is their income for the year and your equipment malfunction is screwing up an extra 20% harvest or whatever they're going to get. That's a big deal. [00:22:33] Speaker A: Oh, totally. Big deal. Yeah, we're getting sidetracked on the AG side things. But I'm telling you, I am super excited about the AG. I was talking to a guy yesterday about the AG and he's like, mike, who are you selling this stuff to? And I'm like, there's two customers. There's people that want to do custom application where they spray farmers fields. And then we're also going to be selling to the farmer themselves. Because if you think about what a farmer spends on a spray rig, there's a big machine called a Haggie high clearance sprayer where you can spray over your corn. That thing's well over half million dollars if we can get them set up with our spray rig. We haven't released it yet, but we're working on basically a turnkey. Back your truck up, hook this trailer up, and you're going to be a sprayed operation just like that. And we'll sell those to farmers because it's going to cost them like 100 grand to get into that versus a half million dollars. It's going to change the game. I'm telling you. People say, well, that word overuse too much. It's going to change the game. I am not overusing it. I'm telling you exactly how it was when drone deer recovery started. I was like, this is a game changer. And after seeing this technology, the spray drones, I'm telling you, it's going to change the game of how farmers do farming. Toad could not. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Yep. Talking about game changers, we got a cool email from Hunter. I'm not sure if he's a pilot. Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Was that you that shared that Austin. [00:24:00] Speaker B: Or who was I think it was Carlin on our email. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Do you have it up? [00:24:06] Speaker B: Let's look at it. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Let's look at it. Yeah, that was pretty cool. [00:24:09] Speaker B: In a university know, presenting to a whole classroom of people a new business model for and he talked no way. [00:24:18] Speaker A: And he talked on drone deer recovery. So do you just want to read that, Kevin? [00:24:22] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll read the good morning. My name is Steve, and I'm a student at the University of Minnesota. In one of my classes, we were required to present a relatively new business to a class of 200 students. As a hunter, trapper fisherman, outdoorsman, and myself, I have been intrigued with your company since its startup. I hope you all don't mind, but I chose to present your company and give a deep dive on the importance of animal conservation, recovering animals and making the fullest effort to harvest an animal. The class was very interested and will probably be searching for more information about you guys in the future. It's been exciting to see your expansion so far. And being a Minnesota resident, I'm excited that there are now operators in this state. I always look forward to seeing the videos and the podcasts along with the information put out to further educate people. Keep doing what you're doing. All that I've heard from people is positive feedback. Not sure if Mike or Jay want to see or hear about this, but I took a couple of pictures for your viewing. [00:25:14] Speaker A: That's so cool. Like down there, seeing it on a big screen. It looks like there's yeah, that's definitely on a big screen. I've never gone to college. Sorry. So I don't know what that looks like. Tell me, Austin, is it like a stadium? [00:25:28] Speaker B: Typically it's just a classroom. [00:25:30] Speaker A: Maybe about but do you sit up? They usually have one general conference room. Okay. I wasn't sure if they'd be kind of like sitting in a stadium. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Do you have bigger versions of these photos? [00:25:42] Speaker A: Can you put that'd be cool. Thanks so much, Steve. To do that, I mean, I greatly appreciate it. And to hear that that's in a college, I'm like, oh, my. Like, it's just a little ex Amish boy that started drone deer recovery and now they're talking about it in college. [00:25:59] Speaker B: But the thing that's fun to me in this is here's a college student, an outdoorsman, a trapper fisherman, and he gets the importance of harvesting an animal, treating it with respect of conservation. It's like, what do we need to do to get these states and the legislators to understand it as well? [00:26:16] Speaker A: Yeah, we talk about the legislators, and it is some on the legislators, but it's more on the DNR, right? Gaiman fish. It makes no sense. If they are for conservation. Right. That's what their division is, then they should start looking. At least entertain the idea of allowing it. You might not just say free, just go do whatever you want, but look at it. But to say that we're not even in like, that the laws are fine. [00:26:47] Speaker B: The way they're at stupid. [00:26:49] Speaker A: I'm just telling you it's stupid. Yeah. Went out this morning, tried to try to shoot a deer because I'm going. [00:26:55] Speaker B: To you got to hunt another deer? [00:26:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Not a buck. We're a $1 state here in Ohio, so we have a bunch of dough on our lease, and we got to get some of those dough cut down, so yeah, that video will be coming. You're going to not want to miss that. I'll show you guys how you use a drone to lift your deer out and put it right on the back of your truck without ever even touching it. Yeah. That's coming. You like that, Austin? Yeah. [00:27:24] Speaker B: Oh, man. Yeah. The things we get into. [00:27:27] Speaker A: You said you wanted to go hunting. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Yeah. But guess what did this week. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Oh, boy. Did you buy a gun? [00:27:32] Speaker B: I bought a gun. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Oh, you did? What did you buy? [00:27:34] Speaker B: I bought a Stealth Systems nine millimeter. [00:27:37] Speaker A: Okay. [00:27:38] Speaker B: Pistol. [00:27:38] Speaker A: Did you shoot it? [00:27:39] Speaker B: I have not shot it yet. [00:27:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:27:41] Speaker B: Actually, I don't have anywhere to shoot it. Can I shoot it at your place? [00:27:45] Speaker A: You can, but we don't like shooting a bunch of guns around here just because the neighbors okay, well, that's cool. Now, you're a first time gun owner? [00:27:57] Speaker B: Yeah. How do I feel? You grew up amish? Amish are all about hunting and guns and stuff. The way I grew up, city slicker. I was in a city of 7 million people. [00:28:14] Speaker A: Were you really? [00:28:15] Speaker B: Yeah. No way. [00:28:16] Speaker A: I thought you grew up out in the bush. Weren't you, like, missionary? [00:28:21] Speaker B: I was a missionary kid, but we were in a city of 7 million people in the capital. [00:28:26] Speaker A: No way. [00:28:27] Speaker B: So the only way, like, guns were illegal? You can't actually own a gun? The only time that guns are used is to hold up people. Shoot people. Rob in my on my little where. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Did you grow up? Let's hear more. [00:28:42] Speaker B: So I grew up in El Salvador and on my little street. [00:28:46] Speaker A: El Salvador? Is that, like, in Mexico? [00:28:48] Speaker B: It's, like, south of go, if you would drive through. [00:28:52] Speaker A: I'm sorry. I don't know where it's at. [00:28:55] Speaker B: So El Salvador is the smallest country in the world. That is not an island. So a little baby country. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Okay. But it's way down south somewhere. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it's in Central America. So before South America, past the equator? I don't think so. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Austin, is it past the like it's not winter there when it's hot all the time. Oh, it's hot all the time. So they must be close to the equator, probably, right? Yeah. [00:29:26] Speaker B: I should know this. [00:29:26] Speaker A: I don't well, if it goes past one way or the other, then they have winter. Right. We barely learned enough to get past. We learned how to read and write. [00:29:41] Speaker B: How to work. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah. How to work anyhow yeah, tell. [00:29:44] Speaker B: Me in 2000, and I don't know, 20, 12, 15, whatever. Number one country in the world for murders per capita, so per 100 people. More murders in my country of El Salvador than any other country in the world. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Wow. Okay, so I think we should clear this up right away. You are a us. Citizen. [00:30:04] Speaker B: I'm a dual citizen. [00:30:05] Speaker A: You're a dual citizenship. Can I get? [00:30:10] Speaker B: No, no. You got to be born there. [00:30:12] Speaker A: Oh, no way. [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Can I be born again? Like, go down there if you were born again. [00:30:17] Speaker B: I don't know if they give passports for that, but, like, born again. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Go down there or get baptized in the name of Jesus. Born again. [00:30:24] Speaker B: Now I get, here's your passport. But no, there were three robberies on my street. [00:30:31] Speaker A: You've seen it or you just yeah. No way. [00:30:33] Speaker B: It was like and mom would always yell, and I'm talking gunshots, like I'm talking bank robberies and shoot out down the street. And mom would be like, Shut the door and get back in here. And I would peek out this little slit and down there. I could take you there today. You can see bullet holes in the wall. [00:30:53] Speaker A: No way. [00:30:53] Speaker B: From, like, an assault rifle when the police tried to stop a fleeing vehicle. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. I'm a little freaked out. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Different. Anyway, so guns, you aren't allowed to own them. And so then suddenly I'm in a whole other culture where it's like, guns think we love our guns. Yeah, and guns are good. They're good for the country. I mean, let's not get political here, but I think people should own guns. [00:31:24] Speaker A: Is that a pitch from Kevin Neisley? He bought his first gun. Buy guns. If I can tell you anything today, just go buy a gun. [00:31:34] Speaker B: Oh, man. [00:31:35] Speaker A: No, that's cool. You buy it locally. [00:31:38] Speaker B: I went down like J l sports, whatever. [00:31:41] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:42] Speaker B: I'll give them a shout out. Treated me really well in there. [00:31:44] Speaker A: Nice. So you just walked up and said, hey, I want a gun. [00:31:48] Speaker B: And the guy said, have you owned a gun before? [00:31:50] Speaker A: No way. You did all the paperwork, right? [00:31:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:54] Speaker A: And your background check. Nice. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Clear. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Nice. Good. Anyways, well, I'm happy for you to own your first gun. Now you need to learn how to. [00:32:03] Speaker B: I got to learn how to shoot it? [00:32:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:04] Speaker B: And I'm going to get my concealed carry permit. [00:32:06] Speaker A: Dude, I just thought of something. If you go hunting, you go hunting on an apprentice license. You never even did your hunter safety course, right? [00:32:16] Speaker B: Yeah, never done that. [00:32:17] Speaker A: You got to do that. [00:32:18] Speaker B: I think that's legal, right? I think I did something. I had to go with someone else. [00:32:22] Speaker A: No, there's an apprentice license. You can get it for six years. It's basically to try out hunting to see if you like it. And if you do, then you take your hunter safety. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Because I remember I bought a tag, and it's actually funny. We're talking about this because my wife just pulled out the Christmas decorations, and my horns are right there. They're about that big. [00:32:44] Speaker A: My horns. If you pull out the Christmas decorations and they're hid inside the ornaments, your horns aren't too big. [00:32:54] Speaker B: They're painted white. [00:32:56] Speaker A: You painted them? [00:32:57] Speaker B: I painted them white. Took them out to the garage, spray painted them white. They're now a beautiful addition to whatever my wife sets up for. [00:33:04] Speaker A: No way. I have never heard of this. [00:33:06] Speaker B: He maybe shot a cow. [00:33:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Not antlers. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Well, they are antlers. It's a six pointer. So it's three on each side. [00:33:16] Speaker A: Nice. Yeah, that's a six pointer. [00:33:19] Speaker B: I mean, six pointer ain't ain't bad, right? [00:33:23] Speaker A: I found a forky yesterday. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Oh, yes. I would not do forkies. I'm more about the sixes and the eights and the whatever. [00:33:32] Speaker A: Nice. Hey. You do have to go on your first recovery. We have to do that. You have not yet flown a drone and found a deer. [00:33:40] Speaker B: How should we do that? Because I think, too, that would be fun, and I think there's a lot okay. So it's a different thing to see you doing it in the videos. [00:33:49] Speaker A: I got an idea. [00:33:51] Speaker B: What? [00:33:51] Speaker A: I go shoot a deer, I tell you nothing of where it ran, and you try to find it. [00:33:59] Speaker B: Yeah, let's do it. [00:34:00] Speaker A: That being said, I seen a comment, and I do look at the comments at times. I know that you guys are telling me to not look at the comments, but I appreciate the community. And I looked at a comment, and he's like, he doesn't like the videos this year on how I'm reacting because I'm overdoing. It like when I get fired up. I wonder if he's referring to that recovery you and I did. I was genuinely fired up to the point where I lost my voice, remember? I was genuinely fired up. So I'm not sure. Is it just like people are thinking about how the edits because the editors are killing it. They're really good. I think they can build that up to the point where it's like the edit is building it up and not mine. But I'm like, dude, that is genuine. I get fired up. Find a big box. There he is. [00:34:56] Speaker B: Kevin, there's another one. [00:34:57] Speaker A: There's a big box. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Moving on. [00:34:59] Speaker A: Yeah. No, it's not. There he is. [00:35:02] Speaker B: Life. Yeah. [00:35:03] Speaker A: So I do get fired up naturally. [00:35:06] Speaker B: As you should. [00:35:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:07] Speaker B: But it's a different thing to actually go out and somebody is there. This means a lot to them, and you got to find it. I think that's actually something, Mike, that I think a lot of first time pilots I mean, it's kind of a scary thing. I'd imagine the first time you go out and somebody is standing right there. Austin, was it a little bit yeah, you could what was it like for you first time you went out to find one all by yourself? Nobody handholding. [00:35:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it was hard because I couldn't find it. Oh, you didn't find it? First one that I find it. So it definitely messed with your confidence. Yeah. But you know what the technology can do it's just when those eyeballs are on you, you're like, oh, man, I got to find this thing. But you can't find a deer if he's not there. I tell people that all the time. They want to know our success rate. My thing is this if the deer is in the search area, we're going to find it. It's 98% chance that we're going to find a deer if he is in the search area. If he's not, then but that's a. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Level of confidence you've gotten over hundreds of hours of flying a drone. [00:36:13] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, you definitely won't have that right off the rip. But it's like, you need to get what I would say, five under your belt, and then you'll start becoming confident. Yeah. I found the second one. He was still alive, but I told him that he would die in the morning, and sure enough oh, yeah. What happened? So that definitely boosted your confidence. Nice. [00:36:36] Speaker B: So, Mike, I think what we should do is I want to go find a drone for an actual customer. [00:36:41] Speaker A: A drone for an actual customer. [00:36:42] Speaker B: I want to go find a deer for an actual customer. And then you let me fly for, like I'll fly for an hour. If I can't find it, then it's like you get to find it. [00:36:54] Speaker A: I believe you know how to fly a drone good enough that if you don't find it in an hour, I probably won't either. But we could do something like that. Yeah. Because you know how to handle a drone. It's basically the eye knowing what to rock, what's a stream. [00:37:13] Speaker B: Those are comments that I see also on the shorts and stuff. What are all those red things? And kind of like, why are you not looking at all those? [00:37:21] Speaker A: It's because you learn what is water, what is a rock, and that type of stuff. That's why we don't look at them. But you definitely do. In the beginning, I would say that if I would have went with Austin this year and he would have been sitting there and spending 30 minutes looking at rocks, that I would have been like, okay, let's move on now. But you had to. I was like, oh, I feel good about this, because it looked like a laid out, and it was like a perfect it was just rock. A perfect rock. Yeah. But you have to do it that way. You have to actually look at all those things in the beginning to learn what it looks like, because you can't just take me saying, oh, it's a rock. No, you have to actually go look at all those things and then learn what that looks like to not look at it again. The funny thing is going back and looking at it is that that thermal looked more like an Elf. Like it would had to been an elephant. Yeah, I don't know if you heard that. He said that rock would have had to been an elephant. Right? [00:38:25] Speaker B: For the size. [00:38:26] Speaker A: It was something like that. Can you hear yourself when you're talking? [00:38:29] Speaker B: I think it comes through a little bit. It'd be fun. That'd be a good prank to play on some drone pilots is go put stuff out in the field, warm up some rocks or whatever and make them zoom in on something. And then, oh, how cool would it. [00:38:46] Speaker A: Be to do this over in Africa? Let me know if we can actually bring our drones over there and do that, because I would love to go find an elephant. [00:38:55] Speaker B: An elephant or whatever is legal to. [00:38:59] Speaker A: Well, we've been asked to come look for poachers. [00:39:05] Speaker B: You don't want to be a poacher? [00:39:06] Speaker A: No. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Caught in Africa? [00:39:08] Speaker A: No. They definitely shoot you in about 15 minutes. I got to get on a meeting, so we should probably hop into ground chatter. [00:39:15] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:39:16] Speaker A: Yeah. This was an article in the Pennsylvania what newspaper was it? It was some type of newspaper. We were on the front of the newspaper. Drones for recovering deer. Debated, written by Tom what is his last name? Benski? [00:39:36] Speaker B: No. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Vansky? [00:39:38] Speaker B: Vensky, maybe? [00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah. If you guys are in PA, if you get whatever that paper was, I forgot. [00:39:46] Speaker B: Look through all the yeah, yeah, definitely. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Read all the newspapers. But the Pennsylvania Game Commission prohibits the use of drones. Yep. We talked about they're. Their interpretation of the law in PA is, in my opinion, incorrect. [00:40:03] Speaker B: Lancaster farming. If you're in Lancaster, check it out. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah, appreciate that, but yeah, if the. [00:40:09] Speaker B: Game commission is going to interpret the act of recovering a carcass with the drone as aiding in the hunt or aiding and taking, they should also interpret the act of recovering a carcass at night or on Sunday. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Then you'd still be hunting. You can't hunt at night. [00:40:21] Speaker B: You can't have it both ways. Choose which way you're going to have it, and then let's all do the same thing. That's the bottom line. [00:40:28] Speaker A: Yep. I love it. [00:40:29] Speaker B: All right, what else do we got? [00:40:30] Speaker A: Austin, give an overview walkthrough of the Megalodrone. Right? [00:40:35] Speaker B: Is that what we ended up with? [00:40:36] Speaker A: Megalodrone. Megalodrone. [00:40:38] Speaker B: Okay. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Megalodrone provided plenty of Matrix 30 T content. I guess I could give a walkthrough on the M 350. I just do not feel that it is anywhere close to being what do you call this? I mean, there's people out there with lots of money, but this drone right now is just way out of there. So if you use that HD thermal drone or HD thermal camera we have and you have all the batteries you have to hold nine yards, you're looking at, like, almost $50,000. So it's like I can show you. But honestly, it's not the best drone to do deer recovery right now. [00:41:18] Speaker B: And it's more right of an enterprise. Like it has more functionality, different payloads you can attach. Yeah, that's really where the value is. [00:41:27] Speaker A: You can do LiDAR with it. You can do a lot more other payloads with it outside of just doing thermal deer recovery. That camera we got to put on there, it's got a laser IR spotlight. So no spotlight is needed to laser out there. It's got insane thermal. [00:41:49] Speaker B: Just to be clear, that means you can night vision without casting a beam of light that you can visibly see. [00:41:55] Speaker A: Correct. [00:41:59] Speaker B: So who owns Matrice 350s? Who uses them? Who are they sold to? [00:42:04] Speaker A: I would say that a lot of surveyors, land surveyors, mining companies probably use them. Yeah. People that are into LiDAR. I would say most people that are into LiDAR. [00:42:16] Speaker B: And then you can swap the head out. Right. The camera package out. But then those camera packages, they ain't cheap. Right. Each different one you buy, what do those run? [00:42:25] Speaker A: It's hard telling you for sure what they all cost, but if you get like H 20 T coupled with a GL 60, you're probably jeez, I would say 20. Right? Around 20,000. But just the payload itself, not the drone. [00:42:46] Speaker B: And then things like flight time, it's comparable. It's a little bit better. Yeah, it's comparable, but it's comparable. Hot swapping is the same. The resolution of the thermal camera is twice as good, right? Yeah, twice as high resolution. And you can zoom in with thermal. [00:43:03] Speaker A: Camera in a way you can't with it's definitely better. That camera that we're running on the M 350 right now, I would say is built more for law enforcement right now. You could use it in situations where you're finding a suspect that's running from you, and he'll never know that you're looking at him because he can't see the light looking at him far away. Yeah, you can sit way far away and see the thermal image where we have to be within that 300ft to see a thermal image. This you can literally see a human walking with thermal image at 1000ft away. [00:43:40] Speaker B: Yeah. And then switch to night vision without ever alerting the suspect that they're being tracked. [00:43:46] Speaker A: But yeah, I guess I could do that at some point. Appreciate the comment. [00:43:50] Speaker C: Hey, Mike, do you believe your drone will find Pythons in the swamp? [00:43:55] Speaker A: We talked about that. I think you can find them in certain scenarios. I don't think they'll show up like they're hot, but they'll show up like they're cold. So maybe if everything is warm and they're cold, then maybe you could see them. I got to try that. I got to go down to Florida and try that. [00:44:15] Speaker B: I think the Governor Ron down there, he had a whole thing where they were awarding every Python found. Make some money off of yeah, a. [00:44:26] Speaker A: Guy reached out to me about that. [00:44:28] Speaker B: And it looks like there isn't a super big temperature difference like there is for deer. But it's just like in the way that it's coiled and stuff. You almost have to recognize the shape of it. [00:44:39] Speaker A: I bet the HD thermal would probably work. [00:44:41] Speaker B: It would kill it. [00:44:42] Speaker A: We should definitely do that now that I'm thinking about that. Yeah, take the HD thermal down there. [00:44:46] Speaker B: If there's anybody in Florida. [00:44:48] Speaker A: The problem is most of those pythons are in areas you can't technically fly, like national parks and stuff like that. [00:44:57] Speaker B: Need a permit or something? Clearance. [00:44:59] Speaker A: We could probably get something. [00:45:01] Speaker B: Next shirt. Average Joe Yoder working on it. [00:45:06] Speaker A: We're working on it. [00:45:07] Speaker B: Literally working on it. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll be cool. [00:45:09] Speaker B: I was actually thinking of another idea, too. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Another day, another deer. [00:45:14] Speaker A: Another day, another deer. It's going to be wild. It's going to be a shirt as well. [00:45:19] Speaker B: But isn't that the life of a thermal drone pilot? Another day, another deer. [00:45:24] Speaker A: Probably. Do you like that, Austin? Another day, another deer. Yeah, I like it. [00:45:30] Speaker B: More shirts coming, hopefully. [00:45:31] Speaker A: Oh, the apparel. Me and Karen went apparel shopping. [00:45:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we're getting we're going to upgrade our apparel. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Oh, good. Merch like good quality stuff. Hoodies, heavyweight. [00:45:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it's going to be new designs, new colors. [00:45:45] Speaker A: Designs going to be good. New colors. Yeah, that's all coming. [00:45:49] Speaker C: Do you, Mike, you'll always gain more than you lose? [00:45:53] Speaker A: Yes. I'm an operator in Illinois in a. [00:45:56] Speaker C: State where DDR has been deemed illegal. [00:45:59] Speaker A: I've had 23 calls for recovery. [00:46:02] Speaker C: Haven't done one. [00:46:04] Speaker A: Imagine what's going to happen when deemed. [00:46:06] Speaker C: Legal in this state. [00:46:08] Speaker A: I'm focusing on pet recovery currently. Thanks for all you do, for all of us. Thank you. That is coming from High Haven cabin. Appreciate it. So much for that. It really does mean a lot for people that are standing with the brand, even though their state now told them they can't do it. But they're here, they're waiting. And when it's legal, we're sending it. [00:46:36] Speaker B: Nothing but the highest regards for him. He bought the drone. He invested. He read the law. It seemed like it's legal. The state says you can't do it. So respectfully, he's not taken those 23 calls he's had. But yeah, people like that, they're going to be poised to take advantage of this thing when it opens up. Hopefully next season. [00:46:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm hoping next season should be good. It's going to be wild. [00:47:03] Speaker C: Even though your drone shooting video was staged, it depicts an event that has actually occurred with other people and is a way of informing the public that it is not lawful to shoot a drone down. You got to have thick skin. If you maintain a channel on any social media platform, fans and subscribers can praise you and slam you in the same sentence. I enjoy your searches and success of finding an animal to confirm whether it is expired or has survived to be hunted on another day. Keep them coming. [00:47:33] Speaker A: Thanks so much, kurt dog 63. When I do read these comments and I respond back to you guys with thanks or thumbs up, it means a lot. It really does. And to hear a good comment like that, it makes you feel good. [00:47:51] Speaker C: I like the multi topic podcast. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Well, I would say that you're going to probably like this one. [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it was all over the place. No doubt about that type of insurance for drones. So the drone, the airframe itself is insured by DJI. You can get other insurance on it, but it doesn't make sense. DJI insures the airframe itself. So if you crash it into a wall, you send it in, you pay $900, you get a new airframe. [00:48:23] Speaker B: It is the best option, hands down. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Yeah, but you can get liability where you're flying and the thing decides to quit and it goes down through a Lamborghini or something like that. You'd want to have liability. [00:48:35] Speaker B: It's always either a Tesla or a Lambo. Oh yeah. And on this, you can extend that warranty up to three years. I just was reading that this week. DJI Care Basic Enterprise or whatever, you can extend it up to three years? As long as you extend it? [00:48:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:53] Speaker B: With one year. [00:48:54] Speaker A: It comes with one year. [00:48:55] Speaker B: You can extend it another two years. [00:48:57] Speaker A: At the end of that. [00:48:58] Speaker B: As long as you do it before 15 days before the end. So if you like a month out at eleven months or really at any time, you can extend the life. [00:49:07] Speaker A: Valuable information. Tell us again, Kevin. So everybody that has a matrice 30 T is on the DJI basic care package. [00:49:14] Speaker B: One year you get a replacement, $900. If you want to extend that another one or another two years, you can do that directly through DJI by just extending that DJI Care Basic package or whatever. And when you extend another year or two years, you also extend the amount of replacements that you can get so you aren't locked into just the one or two. Is it one or two replacements? [00:49:37] Speaker A: It's two on the basic cost, $900, I believe. [00:49:41] Speaker B: And you have to double check this. If you extend another year, you get at least one other replacement. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Wow. [00:49:47] Speaker B: The only thing that people kind of get screwed over is if you drop it into the bottom of a lake and you can't recover the body of a drone, then that's going to be a problem. You're going to buy a new drone. [00:49:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Because you need to send the drone back. So if it's down there for fish food, then probably not going to pick. [00:50:03] Speaker B: It up, probably going to struggle. [00:50:04] Speaker A: That's good. Good information. Percentage of your recovery business are all mechanical broadheads. I believe that most of them are mechanical only because majority of people hunting are using mechanicals. That's just my opinion. I believe that most of them are mechanical. Because whatever that's called, when you sell so many of them, more are sold than fixed blades. [00:50:37] Speaker B: It seems like what he's trying to ask is, are fixed blade or mechanical better? That might be what he's actually wondering. [00:50:43] Speaker A: I don't have a preference on that. If you ask me personally what I would shoot, I'm going to shoot a mechanical, but I am staying a long way away from the shoulder. Yeah, I will stay away from the shoulder. If I have a mechanical, if I'm shooting a fixed blade, then I'll try to sneak it up there a little closer. But if you hit the shoulder with a mechanical oh, I could not agree more. It can get a little dicey, for sure. [00:51:08] Speaker B: If I'm shooting something with a bow, I'm hitting it with an arrow, probably. [00:51:12] Speaker A: What? [00:51:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:13] Speaker A: I'm not sure what that meant. If I'm shooting something with the bow, I'm hitting it with an arrow. [00:51:20] Speaker B: A sharp one. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Okay, well, is that all we got for this week? I appreciate it. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah, it's always a pleasure. I love doing these. You guys seem to enjoy listening. If you're watching on Spotify or on Apple podcasts, leave a review. Please leave us a five stars review. People are actually finding us through the podcast. [00:51:41] Speaker A: I know, that's crazy. How does a podcast get to a new podcast? [00:51:47] Speaker B: How do people miss us on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and find us on a podcast? [00:51:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. [00:51:53] Speaker B: I don't understand. [00:51:54] Speaker A: I don't either. [00:51:54] Speaker B: But thank you for watching, listening. Tell your friends, and we'll see you on the next one.